前言|Preface

如果你來自濡沫社群,首先感到困惑的,可能會是:

  1. EFF(Electronic Frontier Foundation,電子前鋒基金會)是啥?能吃嗎?很重要嗎?
  2. (假設你已經知道第一題的答案,)這篇訪談明明早就在 EFF 的 Speaking Freely 系列 刊出了,為什麼沒宣傳,而且是直到此刻,才被放回濡沫主站,而且不是相對有互動、有回聲的社群裡?幹麻放在這個長期被嫌「沒人在看」「可以刪了吧」(但還是持續吃主機費與維護營運)的濡沫主站。

針對問題一,無論你用google還是AI,應該可以很快獲得入門級的概觀。在此就不贅述。

這篇EFF訪談刊登於 2026/3/4。無論是濡沫社群內部,或外部常見的社群平台與個人可見度渠道(包括Meta系列所有平台、Bluesky、X、LinkedIn、Mastodon等等社交平台),我都沒有主動轉貼、宣傳、操作擴散。這件事可以被事實檢驗,也絕非因為我忘了、懶得做,或者蠢到不知道怎麼貼文。

這麼做的原因,是因為我太清楚這類內容可以被如何「使用」。機械性的、刺激與吸引最原始慾望的、扁平化的、激化對立的——所有一切能在注意力經濟機制底下,讓指標數字蹭著上漲的那些。恰是因為它如此重要,所以我不願意讓它一開始就陷入最熟悉、也最廉價的資訊流通生產線裡。

「#第一個被EFF(此系列)訪談的臺灣人」、「女同志/性少數社群」、「哇靠聽說是約砲的」、「喔還有噁男/怪人」……!

這些各自看似分屬不同圈層,拼接在一起時,卻正好符合注意力經濟對「新鮮、可轉述、可站隊、可投射」內容的偏好。注意力經濟世界很擅長處理這種混搭組合,並且能有效率送入媒體傳播系統,這些元素很快就會被重新排列、包裝,流水線產出:敘事、文案、標籤,再搭配性別圈、數位運動圈、媒體圈的節點轉發,這篇訪談完全有機會被包裝成一個狂吸點擊的故事:

第一個被EFF此系列訪談的臺灣人(直擊臺灣人“被國際看見”的代表性弱點)、經營女同志與性少數社群(性少數可見性與政治正確敘事)、談匿名與去中心化(數位權利、開源圈最佳政治想像)、談性(爭議與獵奇投射,自帶流量爆款保證)、談言論(民主自由公眾論述)、談平台治理(聽起來很高大上,高度正當性語彙)。

這些元素可以快速吸引注意力,也易於規模化、放大、擴散,但也很容易被扁平化。

但人流湧入、注意力被拉過來之後,對社群本身永續性的幫助是什麼?以2020年底Dcard湧入人潮的事件為例,坦白說,講「很有限」都客氣了。對邊緣社群來說,短期湧入的人流、話題、獵奇式關注,很多時候帶來的不是更穩固的未來,而是更高的誤讀、更多的內部與外部衝突、更快的消耗,與更多和社群本身無關的投射。這些年來,我早已免疫於這種「人多=爆紅=賺爛了」的浪漫想像。

我選擇「安靜」。我拒絕不假思索地服從注意力經濟。
這種「安靜」,並不是一個標籤、一則限時動態,也不是一句品牌slogan。這是拿以十年為量級的人生賭注的長期選擇。它存在於每一天的呼吸、日常,情緒大小波折,與人我之間彼此評估價值的每個片刻之中。

Q:你值不值得我花時間注意?

一般人的回答是:是!對!快來看我!
然後搜尋、分析、統整,把自己碎片化,嵌入當下最有效的標籤模組之中。
#讓女同志不無聊
#AI enthusiast / Startup / 斜槓人生 / Podcaster / OOO 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🇹🇼🇺🇸👯‍♀️🫦
#企業頭銜 / 品牌標籤 / 專業地位 / ex Meta / Google

這是已驗證成效的實際作法,也非常正常。

但面對「Q:你值不值得我花時間注意?」這個問題,我的答案是:
你自己看著辦。

你自己判斷。我只是存在於這裡。

聽起來很跩。真的滿跩。也要付出代價。
這份選擇的代價很高。

也因此,把訪談放回主站,是一個有意識的行動。

主站對我來說,從來不只是「流量低」的地方。很多在別處只會被快速消費、滑掉的東西,到了這裡,才有機會回到脈絡裡。

這是把一段已經公開的對話,連結回它實際誕生的地方。讓這段公開對話,回到濡沫自己的時間軸、事實脈絡與基礎建設之中,而不僅僅漂浮於淺層的想像。

這裡不顯眼、不熱鬧。
但花了很多年的時間,才逐漸明白:有些重要的東西,本來就不適合被放在最喧鬧的位置。

濡沫誕生於邊緣、誕生於被主流平台驅逐排斥、誕生於同志社群持續發生的內部暴力與羞辱之中。所以,真正重要的東西,或許更適合放在燈火闌珊處,讓願意走到這裡的人,無法滿足於主流喧囂的人,得以親自看見。

這個路徑的層次設計,可見度的折疊、彎曲,才是真正的意義所在。

等你驀然回首,發現的那個燈火闌珊處。
或許你會跟我一樣恍然大悟:那裡竟不是遠方,而是我們曾紮紮實實走過、愛過、傷過、背棄、放下,又捨不得的來處。

If you come from the Lezismore community, your first reaction may be confusion:

  1. What is the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation)? Does it matter?
  2. (Assuming you already know the answer to question one,) this interview was published in EFF’s Speaking Freely series a while ago. So why wasn’t it promoted? And why is it only now being placed back on the Lezismore main site—rather than in the community space, where there is relatively more interaction and echo? Why put it on this Lezismore main site, which has long been treated as the place people complain “nobody reads,” “can’t we just delete it already,” while it continues to quietly eat hosting costs and maintenance expenses?

As for the first question: whether you use Google or AI, you can probably get an entry-level overview pretty quickly. I won’t dwell on it here.

This EFF interview was published on 2026/3/4. Since then, I have not actively reposted, promoted, or tried to amplify it anywhere—neither inside the Lezismore community, nor across the usual external social platforms and personal visibility channels, including Meta platforms, Bluesky, X, LinkedIn, Mastodon, and so on. That is a verifiable fact. It is also not because I forgot, or because I’m too stupid to know how to make a post.

The reason is simple: I know exactly how material like this can be used. Mechanically. Flattened. Engineered to trigger the most primitive desires. Built to intensify conflict. Designed to make the numbers keep climbing under the logic of the attention economy. Precisely because it matters, I did not want to let it fall, from the outset, into the most familiar—and most cheapened—production line of information circulation.

“The first Taiwanese person featured in this EFF series.” “Lesbian / sexual minority community.” “Wait, isn’t this some hookup site?” “Oh right, and there are creepy men / weirdos too.” …!

Each of these may seem to belong to a different audience segment. But once stitched together, they line up perfectly with what the attention economy loves most: content that feels new, easy to retell, easy to take sides on, easy to project onto. That world is very good at processing this kind of mixed bundle and feeding it efficiently into media circulation systems. These elements can be quickly rearranged and packaged into a whole assembly line of narrative, copy, and hashtags, then pushed further through gender circles, digital rights circles, and media nodes. This interview could very easily have been turned into a click-magnet story:

The first Taiwanese person interviewed in this EFF series (hitting the soft spot in Taiwan’s hunger to be “seen internationally”), the founder of a lesbian and sexual minority community (sexual minority visibility plus politically legible framing), talking about anonymity and decentralization (prime political fantasy material for digital rights and open-source circles), talking about sex (controversy, voyeurism, and built-in viral potential), talking about speech (democracy-and-freedom public discourse), talking about platform governance (a term that sounds elevated and carries a lot of built-in legitimacy).

These elements can attract attention fast. They scale well. They spread well. They also flatten very easily.

But once the traffic comes in, once the attention has been pulled over—what does that actually do for the long-term sustainability of the community itself? If we take the influx from Dcard at the end of 2020 as an example, then honestly, even saying “the benefits were limited” would be generous. For a marginal community, a short burst of traffic, discourse, and voyeuristic attention often does not bring a more stable future. More often, it brings more misreading, more internal and external conflict, faster depletion, and more projections that have little to do with the community itself. By now, I am long immune to the fantasy that “more people = viral success = we’re winning big.”

I chose quiet. I chose not to obey the attention economy reflexively.
That kind of “quiet” is not a label, not an Instagram story, not a brand slogan. It is a long-term choice staked on a decade-scale wager of one’s life. It lives in the texture of everyday breathing, ordinary routine, emotional fluctuations large and small, and in every moment when people weigh one another’s value.

Q: Are you worth my attention?

Most people answer: yes. Absolutely. Look at me.
And then they search, analyze, organize, fragment themselves, and slot themselves into the most effective tagging modules available.
#MakingLesbiansLessBoring
#AI Enthusiast / Startup / Multi-hyphenate / Podcaster / OOO 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🇹🇼🇺🇸👯‍♀️🫦
#CorporateTitle / BrandTag / ProfessionalStatus / ex-Meta / Google

This works. It has been proven to work. It is also perfectly normal.

But when faced with the question, “Are you worth my attention?” my answer is:
That’s for you to decide.

I am simply here.

It sounds arrogant. It is arrogant. And it comes at a cost.
A very high cost.

Which is exactly why putting this interview back on the main site is a deliberate act.

To me, the main site has never been just “the low-traffic place.” A lot of things that would be rapidly consumed and scrolled past elsewhere only have a chance to return to context here.

This is a way of reconnecting an already-public conversation to the place where it was actually born. It lets that public conversation return to Lezismore’s own timeline, factual context, and infrastructure, instead of floating around in shallow projections.

This place is not prominent. It does not announce itself loudly.
But it has taken me many years to understand that some important things were never meant to be placed in the loudest spot.

Lezismore was born at the margins. Born out of expulsion by mainstream platforms. Born out of the ongoing internal violence and humiliation that also exist within queer communities themselves. So perhaps what truly matters belongs more in the dimly lit place—where those willing to make their way here, those not fully satisfied by mainstream noise, can see it with their own eyes.

This layering of the route—the folding and bending of visibility—is where the real meaning lies.

And when you finally look back and notice that dimly lit place, maybe you will have the same realization I did: it was never somewhere far away. It was the place we had already walked through, loved in, been hurt in, betrayed, let go of, and still could not quite stop mourning.

給還不熟悉這裡的你,請把這篇前言當作一個入口,讓我們有機會更了解彼此一點。類似深潛之前要穿好裝備,深呼吸。

這篇訪談原本刊登於 EFF 的 Speaking Freely 系列。對我來說,把它再放回濡沫主站,並不是「嘿!我們被EFF訪談啦!🤩」的轉貼勳章敘事。

比較貼近事實的說法是:這是一個嘗試,試著把一段已經在另一個語言與制度場域中公開的對話,重新連結回它實際誕生的現場。

因為這段對話真正珍貴的,從來不只是它被「哪個組織」刊登,而是它所談的許多問題,原本就不是從政策會議室或學術術語裡長出來的。

很多今天被歸類為「平台治理、數位權利、隱私設計、年齡驗證、匿名風險」的問題,有漂亮術語定義的問題,在邊緣社群裡其實早就存在。

只是在當年,它們沒有這麼完整的術語包裝,也很少被放進國際政策討論的語境裡。

更多時候,它們是以一種很具體、很混亂、活生生血淋淋的方式砸下來:你要不要留下資料、你如何判斷風險、你怎麼在沒有強制身份驗證的前提下維持信任、如何承擔那些並不因為你資源少就會減輕的「平台責任」。

所有的社群治理決策,不是概念、標語,更不是紙上談兵;反而像是持續壓在肩背上的無形重量,一把抵在側頸的刀。這種不性感、活生生的社群現場,註定了任何決策都無法完美,總會有人受傷。

負責人,必須決定,誰受傷。怎麼受傷。
沒有退路,沒有救贖與安慰。
只有取捨。

回頭看,這些年做過的許多對治理、技術與社群的信念、實踐與判斷,並不只是臨場反應、個人偏好,或是直覺性的「科技正義」口號。它們背後其實有更深邃的脈絡,和我成長時所經驗過的網路環境密切相關。

我屬於一個曾經實際活過「預設介面之外還有其他可能」的世代:知道網路不只有現在這一種樣子,平台也不一定只能長成今天這種規模化、同質化、過度預設的形式。只有當你真的活過那種數位環境,才會對「預設值」保有近乎本能的敏銳感。

因為,我曾經真的在那樣的空氣裡活過。
歷經過鉛筆手動捲錄音帶與DVD player的年代,還保有手動的純真、投入、沈浸與快樂;又在十幾二十歲時,得以進入最早期、最原初的Metaverse,許多部落格蓬勃發展、互相連結,享受過親手慢慢設計、打造自己的數位小窩的快樂(與崩潰)。得以誕生於科技巨頭接管前的世界,清楚地用身體感受過「預設介面」之外,「明明不只如此、還可以更多」刻到血液、骨髓中,成為一種活著行走的反射機制——對此,我既感激、又孤單徬徨。

接著2010年代,那是一個平台責任、法律規管與科技巨頭尚未相輔相成、互相競逐誰更巨大的時期。因此,不少邊緣、實驗性、誇張的社會運動可以在科技巨頭平台上快速實現(就算很快被封禁,但證實了影響力的規模)。

濡沫也是在這個階段誕生的,在科技巨頭的接力刪帳號、封禁下,逼出了「獨立架站」的現實。

隨著2020年代,疫情、遠端、AI 工具全面加速,效率與便利指數級提升,從chatbot型態到代理型AI,工具、介面的汰換可以從十年、數月,壓縮到數週之內就人去樓空、面目全非。

這些變化當然帶來很多實際好處,我並非單純懷舊,或者拒絕理解新的技術。正因為持續追蹤與關注最新的動態、科技與工具,我才更清楚地感覺到:

有些可能性正在快速消失,而消失這件事,往往發生得非常安靜。這是一個幾乎不可逆的現象。

人與人之間的討論也越來越碎片、扁平,越來越壓縮、稀釋成可被快速處理、消費、遺忘的「資料格式」。

資料格式真的很方便。作為前AI PM,我想我應該是有資格說這句話的。
但「資料格式」,如果變成人類唯一、最好的、最優先的「定義自我與連結他人、建構社會」的方式,那會是一場浩劫。

而這場浩劫,正在發生中。

即使如此,我仍想努力留下一些軌跡,讓「可能性」成為他人有機會循線發掘的東西。同時在過程中,堅持不服從注意力經濟下的預設。

所以,把這篇放回濡沫主站,對我來說,只是想讓某些軌跡被留下:在主流平台與預設介面之外,曾經有人用另一種方式思考匿名、信任、慾望、風險與共存。
也讓後來的人有機會循線發現,原來平台與社群,還可以有別的可能性,而且這份可能性並非理論空談、憑感覺想像,而是超過十年的活生生證據。

這就是我把這篇再放回「沒什麼人會看」的濡沫主站的原因。
而且,完全不在任何主流平台、社交帳號上主動宣傳。

這篇是否會被注意、會不會產生影響,或者最後只是安靜地留在這裡?我不知道,也沒有很在意點擊數字。
讓我們看下去。

謝謝你,願意一路讀到這裡,某種程度上,也共同參與了這個有意義的旅程。
至少對我來說有意義。

If you are new to this place, treat this preface as an entry point—a chance for us to get to know each other a little better. Like gearing up before a deep dive. Take a breath.

This interview was originally published in EFF’s Speaking Freely series. For me, putting it back on the Lezismore main site is not a “Hey! We got interviewed by EFF! 🤩” trophy-post narrative.

A more accurate way to put it would be this: this is an attempt to reconnect a conversation that was already made public in another linguistic and institutional setting back to the site of its actual emergence.

Because what is truly valuable about this conversation is not simply which organization published it, but the fact that many of the issues it addresses did not originally emerge from policy rooms or academic terminology.

Many of the issues now categorized under terms like “platform governance,” “digital rights,” “privacy design,” “age verification,” and “anonymity risk”—issues that now come with polished definitions—had already long existed inside marginal communities.

Back then, they did not come wrapped in such complete terminology, nor were they often situated within international policy discourse.

More often, they came crashing down in a concrete, chaotic, and viscerally bloody way: Do you leave data behind? How do you assess risk? How do you sustain trust without mandatory identity verification? How do you carry platform liability when having fewer resources does not actually reduce the burden?

None of these community governance decisions are abstractions, slogans, or armchair theory. They are more like a constant weight pressing on your back, a blade held against the side of your neck. This unglamorous, painfully real social terrain means no decision will ever be perfect. Someone always gets hurt.

The person in charge has to decide who gets hurt. And how.
There is no way out. No redemption. No comforting resolution.
Only tradeoffs.

Looking back, many of my convictions, practices, and judgments about governance, technology, and community were never just situational reactions, personal preferences, or instinctive slogans about “tech justice.” They are rooted in a deeper history, one closely tied to the internet environment I grew up inside.

I belong to a generation that actually lived through a time when possibilities existed beyond the default interface: a generation that knew the internet did not have to look only like this, and that platforms did not have to become today’s scaled, homogenized, overdetermined forms. Only if you truly lived through that kind of digital environment do you retain an almost bodily sensitivity to the default setting.

Because I really did live in that air.
I lived through the era of rewinding cassette tapes with a pencil and DVD players—an era that still preserved the innocence, commitment, immersion, and joy of doing things by hand. Then, in my teens and twenties, I entered the earliest, most primordial version of what might now be called the metaverse: blogs flourished, linked to one another, and people could slowly build their own digital corners by hand, with all the pleasure and breakdowns that came with that. I was born into a world before the tech giants fully took over, and I physically knew what it meant to feel, deep in the blood and bone, that beyond the “default interface,” things could be otherwise—more than this. That reflex became part of how I move through the world. For that, I feel both grateful and profoundly alone.

Then came the 2010s: a period when platform liability, legal regulation, and tech giants had not yet fully locked into the mutually reinforcing machinery they have today, each competing to become larger and more dominant. In that window, many marginal, experimental, excessive social movements could still rapidly materialize on major platforms—even if they were quickly banned, the scale of their impact had already been proven.

Lezismore was born in precisely that stage—forced into the reality of independent site-building through repeated account deletions and bans by the tech giants.

Then came the 2020s: pandemic acceleration, remote life, AI tools everywhere. Efficiency and convenience increased exponentially. The turnover cycle for tools and interfaces collapsed from ten years, or several months, into a matter of weeks before everything could vanish and become unrecognizable.

These changes have brought many real advantages. I am not simply nostalgic, nor am I refusing to understand new technology. Precisely because I continue to track new developments, tools, and technical shifts, I can feel even more clearly that some possibilities are disappearing very quickly—and that this disappearance often happens in silence. It is an almost irreversible process.

Human conversation, too, is becoming more fragmented, more flattened—compressed and diluted into a “data format” that can be quickly processed, consumed, and forgotten.

Data formats are incredibly convenient. As a former AI PM, I think I’m qualified to say that.
But if “data format” becomes the only, best, or highest-priority way for human beings to define themselves, connect to one another, and build society, that would be a catastrophe.

And that catastrophe is already underway.

Even so, I still want to leave traces behind—to make “possibility” something others may still be able to discover and follow. And in doing so, to continue refusing the defaults imposed by the attention economy.

So, for me, putting this piece back on the Lezismore main site is simply a way to leave certain traces behind: traces that show how, outside mainstream platforms and beyond default interfaces, there were people trying to think differently about anonymity, trust, desire, risk, and coexistence.
It is also a way to make it possible for those who come later to discover that platforms and communities could have grown otherwise—and that this possibility is not theoretical abstraction or intuition-driven fantasy, but living evidence sustained across more than a decade.

That is why I am putting this piece back onto the Lezismore main site—the place “almost nobody reads.”
And why I am not actively promoting it on any mainstream platform or social account.

Will this piece be noticed? Will it have impact? Or will it simply remain here, quietly? I do not know, and I do not care very much about the click count.
Let’s see.

Thank you for reading this far. In some sense, you have also become part of this meaningful journey.
At least, it is meaningful to me.

訪談原文|Interview

Electronic Frontier Foundation

Speaking Freely: Shin Yang

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